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Terrible way, i don't know what does. >> what's striking about this decision, it seems as though president trump has these emotional reactions with which he wants to translate into polic policy,. the policy people think it's difficult to do, so they slow-walk a lot of it. it seemed like the pentagon -- trump had all but announced wemp getti -- we were getting out of syria months and months ago. they slow-walk it and then has a phone call with the leader, oh, my god, we still have troops in syria. have you seen a process like that? >> i have seen no process. i wish i could call this a process. ...

And what we did in walking away from them was two really bad things. one, was it essentially convey the message to them and to any potential ally around the world, when we wake up on the wrong side of the war and left it in a brutal assault to slaughter these kurds. the second reason it's so dangerous is because the fight against isis is not entirely won. there are 10,000 or more isis prisoners who had been in kurdish custody who now will be either released or escape, because tin effect what the president has done is give a get out of jail free card to about 10,000 terrorists. if that doesn't ...

Military assistance to ukraine when ukraine is occupied by a hostile russia and there's still a hot war going on. he said, we're going to keep that aid back. i'm not going to give you a white house meeting unless you give me dirt, which doesn't exist, on his political opponent. >> are you sure that wasn't quid pro quo? >> read the transcript. it's there in black and white. that's how i'm sure. and the fact that the president put it out and thinks there's nothing wrong with it, that it's perfect, shows you that he really doesn't have a sense of the difference between right and wrong. leaving th...

The other part of the difference is that then the trump white house tried to hide that transcript and bury it. >> let me ask you about foreign policy in general. do you feel as though -- i mean, i watched the syria business, and the president makes an announcement one day, then he realizes that maybe he's been too soft on the turks, and he says, i'm going to closely obliterate the contact, which he did do in his unconventional wisdom, then he feels maybe he's been too hard on the turks and invites everyone for a white house meeting, all of this in 72 hours. >> and then he says he told the turk...