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18% down to 3%? the only word to describe that is tanking. it surprises me actually about the hillary clinton matchups with the gop, is how well ben carson is doing. i understand it among republican primary voters, they have affection for him, evangelical voters as well. but generally, ben carson? he's not exactly a household name and he's beating hillary clinton. >> can you tell me what is ben carson's position? what's his tax plan? what's his plan on saving entitlements? what's his plan on isis? let's just go down the list. >> normally you would expect people asking opinions about ben carson...

Budget. start with the budget. do you think that the president's framework that he announced, including change cpi, a gradual way to cut social security benefits, is a good-faith effort on his part? do you think he can actually win some new revenues as a budget deal by doing it? >> there are nuggets of his budget that i think are optimistic. it's overall a bad plan for the economy, but when you look at cpi, we're beginning to set the stage for the grand bargain. change cpi. harmonize, adjust medicare with social security. means testing for both programs. in return flatten the tax code, generat...

Federalism on steroids. but joe, of all the things bobby jindal said last night, the one that you will most agree with is he says the party needs to be taking a bigger stand on fiscal issues. stop fighting these small-potatoes issues, these different cliffs. the party's going to lose those. he says the party should be making a bigger case about taxes, spending, shoot for the mountains and not get dragged down on what he says is clearly democrats and the president's turf. >> we have to focus, steve, i believe republicans -- i've said it time and time again -- on taxes. on cutting spending. on s...