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Scenario to draft a savior candidate. and an initiative held by -- can you -- do you remember that or do you recall that, or who might have been the savior that republicans could have picked instead of mitt? >> well, that was the problem. they didn't really have an obvious one to step in there. would it be jeb bush? well, he was attached to the bush family, which was rather unpopular. if there had been an obvious person to step in, they would have. the truth of the matter is, that primary process, like all republican primaries still are, almost entirely controlled by the conservative base. tha...

President bush's first campaign manager, joe alba, but, you know, joe supported in 2008 his big savior candidate was rudy giuliani. i'm starting to wonder if rick perry is kind of the rudy giuliani figure of 2012. where he's the guy who everybody thought was going to come in and be the big savior, knock off the front-runner in the end he finished third in his best primary and i think he got one delegate. this is not at this point a winning campaign. >> you know, we had the rock story at the perry hunting spot that they rented years ago. and now we have this confederate license plate. why can't...

Big savior candidate was rudy giuliani. i'm starting to wonder if rick perry is kind of the rudy giuliani figure of 2012. where he's the guy who everybody thought was going to come in and be the big savior, knock off the front-runner. in the end he finished third in his best primary and i think he got one delegate. this is not at this point a winning campaign. >> you know, we had the rock story at the perry hunting spot that they rented years ago. and now we have this confederate license plate. why can't the governor of texas come out and say unequivocally that he thinks the confederate licens...

Manager, joe alba, but, you know, joe supported in 2008 his big savior candidate was rudy giuliani. i'm starting to wonder if rick perry is kind of the rudy giuliani figure of 2012. where he's the guy who everybody thought was going to come in and be the big savior, knock off the front-runner. in the end he finished third in his best primary and i think he got one delegate. this is not at this point a winning campaign. >> you know, we had the rock story at the perry hunting spot that they rented years ago. and now we have this confederate license plate. why can't the governor of texas come out...