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Suicide? >> well, you have to understand dolphins are not automatic air breathers like we are. every breath is a conscious effort and so if life becomes too unbearable, they have the option of not taking the next breath and i think it's more common than we know about. in the cove, in japan, for example, i see this one there and i go there four or five times a year and i see this happening before my eyes. now, you might not see that because you can't read their body language like he can, but dolphins can commit suicide and other whales. >> and you had this moment where you saw kathy, we know as...

Steel box and you really have to get in there yourself or put a face mask on and the put your head underwater to get it. most people don't do that. they're dealing with an optical illusion, you know, you go there the music is playing, you're with your family, it's your day off. the water is crystal clear and the dolphin are smiling back at you, it's hard to see the problem. >> now, after kathy died, you took a very different course for your life and in fact, what was it the next day that you went out and freed dolphins and got arrested? >> yeah, that was -- that was in bimini, right across the...

Dolphins, we'll film it here and so, i was chosen probably because i'm a diver, that's my roots and we were going to be filming jnd water, so that's how it started for me. >> was flipper one dolphin or were there, was it like lassie where you have several different dolphins that played the role? >> yeah, there were five. i actually captured those dolphins myself in biscayne bay, five females who collectively were flipper, but we used two throughout the series primarily one, kathy. kathy was flipper to me. >> and when you were working with the series, it seemed perfectly normal to put a dolphin...