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>> going back to what jim was talking about, the idea that these guys, i think what with you were saying that these guys did not expect trump to win. >> no. >> and that includes people inside the campaign. >> right. >> i think that say theme that we keep coming back to as we've been covering this story now for the past year, which is that it drove a lot of the decisions which is coming back to bite them. >> they did not -- for instance, they talk about michael flynn accepting this $45,000 payment for going to russia. on the expectation that trump wouldn't win therefore it would be a problem if...