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So there's no connection between the two things, referring to herself and hillary clinton. what do you think? we should take her at her word? >> no. i think what she said is completely ludicrous. i think it's the epitome of elitism, of hypocrisy and frankly stupidity. the fact that she even did this going into the white house, was she not present for the two years where her father railed against hillary clinton, calling her crooked hillary, saying lock her up? >> and yet maria, you did say we should take hillary clinton at her word. >> here's the thing. hillary clinton actually, and a lot of p...

Crime. >> shouldn't we be concerned with that. >> donald trump is winning if we're arguing about whether or not hillary clinton created treason. this is about distraction, this is about undermining the investigation, this is about preempt preemptively undermining anything they found so no one is paying attention. >> i think he takes his children. >> he'll pardon them if he has to? >> i don't think they're accused of any crimes, but if it were me i would do anything to protect my children. >> we agree. next, ivanka trump is defending her use of private e-mail saying lock her up doesn't apply ...

Democrats hated comey more than any human being. he actually did hillary clinton a big favor because she should be in jail. he lied like a dog on e-mails. she should be in prison. >> maya wiley, msnbc legal analyst, danny is a va lis, and yamiche alcindor, any reaction to the story inside the white house yet? >> it really is a window into the fact that president trump is still really angry at his political opponents and really hoping to wield the power of the presidency to hurt those people. i think that sometimes the people thought there was a lot of rhetoric on the campaign trail and that he...

That line, everybody has to come down on him. >> that's a slippery slope because of the word radical. we could sit here and make a case. is it an incitement term meant to demean. it's a tough call. >> that was a price line. >> there are certain things he does in recent days by encouraging people to body slam reporters. that wasn't even the story of the day. it was a huge story when he crosses that incitement line. >> when they start saying lock her up, no, come on. move on. particularly now that we know he seems to be using his cell phone that is far riskier hillary clinton did with her et e-m...

Is what i call the stick it to the man base. they're democrats and republicans. and frankly, they would love to see the government shut down and have this president do it. and this is what i was saying. they're going to, instead of saying lock her up, they're going to start chanting "shut it down." because they believe donald trump knows what's right and how we should do these things and he's not afraid with the economy doing well to use some of that capital to get his wall. and so i don't think he's bluffing. i think he's dead serious on this. >> i couldn't disagree more. one, the republican ...