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Lift its order that stopped the judge's ruling. let me put it this way. the fifth circuit will decide whether sb-8 can be enforced or not, and whoever doesn't win in that three-judge panel, can either go to the full circuit court of appeals or come to the supreme court to try to ask the court to get involved in this once again. at this stage the issue is not about abortion, the issue is about the ability of texas to pass this novel law. >> you talk about the fifth circuit, pete. correct me if i'm wrong, current makeup pretty conservative, right? is there any question to how they would respond ...

And honestly, there may come a time if there is no injunktive relief there may come a time when it's necessary for clinics to begin providing abortion care under the constraints of roe v. wade, not of sb 8 and force this to a head. because unless and until those lawsuits motivate a test of its constitutionality our clinics continue to be shut down and roe v. wade continues to be overturned at least for the state of texas. one of the most important ways to help is to indemnify the workers if they violate sb 8 to test the constitutionality. we have a fund here in texas, fund the front line tx.or...

State and i think they'll continue to take a restrained position because they know any lawsuit puts them in a courtroom that potentially is going to rule sb 8 unconstitutional and they're trying to avoid that at all costs. >> yeah. it is interesting that you say because the impression i got in my interview with texas right to life, right, the anti-abortion group, was that this law was designed to threaten some of these clinics from performing abortions. but whether or not they decided to carry out a lawsuit against any individual that participates in the performing of abortion services is anot...

As you asked, the question of the anti-abortion guest that you interviewed earlier, she didn't really answer whether they were immediately going to bring suits against the clinics and front line abortion care workers who did perform abortions in those two days. if the appeals court does continue the position of preventing this injunction to be in place those clinics are going to be vulnerable to the suits under sb 8. my guess is that they're going to continue to try to keep things in limbo. right now they have had the best of all worlds because they have intimidated front line abortion care wo...

For women in your state. >> the legal battle is going to be long over the next year or so, maybe longer, so we are hoping that we can get another injunction so that we can resume care in the interim. >> we have to wait and see what the full appellate court decides but we are optimistic that they may be favorable in that ruling. let's talk about this with me now wendy davis, former texas state representative. founder of deeds not words. you have been outspoken on what's taking place with sb 8. talk first about what is next for the state of texas was we await an answer by tuesday the deadline ...