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Articulate, smart woman then he -- >> couldn't be all bad. >> couldn't be a horrible monster, despite all evidence to the contrary. now, i mean, she has been so flagrant with her employment of nepotism by pretending that she was the liaison for women's issues and then refusing to answer the largest women's issue with this white house, namely, he is an admitted serial sexual assaulter, she's just undercut any possibility to have any kind of authority in the white house and offended everybody who would have been interested in protecting her as a daughter. >> plus, she, josh, is married to a man ...

I have absolutely no idea. i think when we started this administration she was the thing that was supposed to make him palatable to the rest of us because if he had created this poised, sophisticated, articulate, smart woman then he -- >> couldn't be all bad. >> couldn't be a horrible monster, despite all evidence to the contrary. now, i mean, she has been so flagrant with her employment of nepotism by pretending that she was the liaison for women's issues and then refusing to answer the largest women's issue with this white house, namely, he is an admitted serial sexual assaulter, she's just ...

Tillerson, and of course, he met with mr. tillerson several days ago. so i think the fact that you have the president-elect expanding his search, and you have all of these complicating factors around rudy giuliani, ultimately, rudy giuliani and the president-elect felt as though this was the best decision and that it wasn't going to be rudy giuliani. but you're absolutely right, it is a stunning moment. because for quite some time, a lot of people thought that it could be rudy giuliani. and now, tonight, a very different outcome, chris. >> i've got one more thought. you've watched trump, and i...

Considering, well, maybe we don't like the democrats. maybe we're not nuts about obama right now, was we've seen three years of republicans controlling the house, the tea party controlling the republican party, and voters are maybe looking at this as more of an equal choice among the two parties. and all things being equal, we're more uncomfortable with the tea party. >> i think it's especially true in virginia, where you have so many federal workers. i think the shutdown did terrible things to the republican brand nationally. that same nbc poll that shows the president at 42% has positive vie...

Right now, was we've seen three years of republicans controlling the house, the tea party controlling the republican party, and voters are maybe looking at this as more of an equal choice among the two parties. and all things being equal, we're more uncomfortable with the tea party. >> i think it's especially true in virginia, where you have so many federal workers. i think the shutdown did terrible things to the republican brand nationally. that same nbc poll that shows the president at 42% has positive views of the republican party at 22%, which is also the lowest number in the history of th...