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Ground? tell us your-- give us an insider's perspective here, you know at this point it's a crime scene investigation. the shooter is in custody and all the victims who can be cared for are being cared for. now, unfortunately, it's being handled as a crime scene and that's what you're seeing developing now, so, i mean, anytime there's a situation like this, you're going to have a very detailed crime scene investigation with photographs taken and evidence taken because now we're going from the initial response, which was stop the shooter, to now get the evidence and make sure who perpetrated th...

Further investigation that then needs to corroborate anything he, i'm saying he, he or she says? >> right, so it could enhance the penalty. if it's a hate crime and they're seeking the death penalty, that would be an aggregating factor that a jury would want to hear down the road. so, obviously, if he's the shooter and they caught him on the scene, the presumption that he's the person is pretty-- it's there. there's going to be so many witnesses, but the aggravating actor of the hate crime, motivation and things like that still need to be developed by experienced law enforcement and as well as...

Into the investigative stages. the area will be cordoned off and meticulously pick up every piece of evidence, pak up every shell casing, every bit of trace evidence. any bit of information they can get from the scene and one of the things that they exploit is the telephone of the suspects. that gives a treasure trove of information. so that process has started and the suspect is in the hospital or the lockup and they'll be questioning him. >> ed, in terms of zooming out a little bit. you were the commissioner during the marathon bombing investigation in boston and massive investigations, how ...

Crime, there were reports that this individual had yelled all jews must die, other things that he reportedly said but whether or not he said those exact words or not, fbi taking the lead, this is now a hate crime. 6 injuries, 4 of those are police officers which is more than we thought and we know there were multiple shootouts between this one suspect and the police officers. he also, i think -- gillian: he did mention that the fbi is taking the lead but they will continue to rely upon the locals, the local law enforcement including the first responders that were there on the scene this mornin...

In terms of what that suspect has been telling them over the past few minutes. this all unfielded quickly when we heard the initial reports of the shooting to now with a suspect in custody and you really have to think as you look there, at that scene, what we don't see is the families rushing to wonder if their loved one is okay. if their loved ones were inside, loved ones were shot and you think about the hundreds of people who would have been at this service and now it is-- >> families on a saturday morning, we don't yet know the profiles of the folks who are part of the congregation who wer...