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Ask them if they had familiarity with guns. that would give you an idea whether they were gun owners. >> that could be argued that way. some of them, there was evidence they were not gun owners. they had experience shooting maybe with friends and family members. but to your point a moment ago. we learned that once the jury, the 18 people were there. we heard about the msnbc situation where they were followed in their jury van. what the people don't know in this country is prior to that. a week before, we learned that joe citizen, whoever that may have been was at the location where these juror...

As we're seeing on the screen, when he broke down, kyle rittenhouse. they could see him talking about the three different instances in which he said he acted in self-defense and the testimony from the guy he wounded saying, yeah, he didn't fire until i pointed my gun at him. so for those who are stunned by this, they would have been more shocked had we not gotten to see a lot of the key testimony ourselves. my final point, those denouncing the verdict, i've been struck by the channels, not talking self-defense claims, the evidence, maybe a few shots at the judge. they're outraged because they ...

The prosecutors went and charged this teenager within a couple days before all the facts were known. in reality, during this trial, many of us were really astonished that the prosecutor seemed to be learning some facts at the same time as the jury. it was an improvisational prosecution driven by these strong public pressures. in the end, the only thing that stood between those pressures in this defending was this jury of 12 people. that's what made it so serious. when we had the msnbc freelancer following this bus. that had already been people on social media saying that they were taking pictu...

They been able to work out. >> john: let's listen to the judge. just give this a moment. all right, it looks like we are still waiting for the jury. read the tea leaves for us vertically when you look at the questions that were asked by the jurors about wanting to view videos. videos, mr. grosskreutz's interview. ten seconds after mr. grosskreutz was shot in regular and slow motion. prepare mr. rosenbaum shooting, fbi one with the aerial points of interest mark. drone video, zoomed in image, still frame after mr. rittenhouse put down the fire extinction are. where does that tell you the jury w...

Dovetailing with the point that the in the court of justice what we just saw the "but for" the analysis, but for the assault on kyle rittenhouse he wouldn't have had to use the self-defense and therefore the acquittal but in the "but for" in public opinion it rains heavily on the governor shoulders and what we're saying to your point about a heavy national guard 500 on standby have a presence of enforcement, one might argue too little, too late or that the governor has learned a lesson or two from the events of august 2020 and refuses to let the same lawlessness and tragedy occur. to the point...