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Americans and russians to work together again. why do you thi it wasn't done in previous administrations? >> well, the space -- this new council is something that our president wanted to put together to see how we can -- because people have been talking about going to mars, but i think he wanted to focus on getting back to the moon first and use that as a launching pad to get uo mars one day. we need to make sure nasa has the money to do these things. >> the new nasa administrator, he's a former member of congress, and he has no science background. what is your take on how that is going to aff...

Determine the course. >> which means he has to choose? >> he has to choose which scientific research is word funding, he replaces kathy witokei. she was a serious agriculture skcientis scientist. this guy, who trump puts in to replace him is essentially a right wing radio host. >> and not a scientist at all. you really can't call me msnbc's chief scientist, because i have no science background? i last took science in high school. >> he's a trump crony. >> there's jobs all over the government for people like that. >> it's a job where you don't need to know anything. but why put him in this job?...

In d.c. at the moment, it's almost exposing a chasm between most catholics and the political conservatives in d.c. who do kind of point the narrative, the conversation in a different direction. for example, he made a point while at the white house to mention responsible care for our common home, effectively saying climate change and what to do about it is a moral issue. is that the main sticking point, do you think, for political conservatives? >> well, this is a whoep who has a young man studied as a scientist and worked as a chemist before he entered the seminary. he has some science backgro...

Conservatives in d.c. who do kind of point the narrative, the conversation in a different direction. for example, he made a point while at the white house to mention responsible care for our common home, effectively saying climate change and what to do about it is a moral issue. is that the main sticking point, do you think, for political conservatives? >> well, this is a pope who actually as a young man studied as a scientist. he studied chemistry. and actually worked as a chemist before he entered the seminary. so he's got some science background. and he has listened to scientists all over t...

though the articles rarely carried a byline they were written in the first person and in random publications such as the ron paul political report and the ron paul survival report. now this all flared up about three years ago when the liberal new republic did the story. more recently, though, the same reporter writing for the conservative weekly standard flushed out even more details, as have new york organizations from "the new york times" to cnn. what we've all uncovered are items like this from a 1992 newsletter shortly after the l.a. riots titled "special issue on racial terroris...