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Mistrust the government. public broadcast is public supported. and this idea it's us versus them, that it's the mainstream media verses these other organizations, you may be right. it may have been very difficult to get the science guy show on at that time, but the reason we made the show at that time is because i was very concerned about the future of the u.s. back in the 1990s. i was concerned the united states had not embraced the metric system. it was not going to be competitive globally and sure enough globalization has led to a loss of all these jobs. so everyone may be during with this ...

>> the fossil fuel industry has done a lot. >> 24 years ago. >> in my -- i did stuff on the science guy show 20 years ago on climate change, when it first came out. so the fossil fuel industry has done a lot to fight it because it's easy. the other thing that's interesting about conspiracy theories -- i'm serious, it's a real problem. they're easy. things look so fantastically messed up. how can this possibly be? oh, there's a conspiracy. that's what it is. people controlling the world. no, you have 7 billion people living on a planet where the atmosphere is quite thin. here we are. you can ru...

>> so your point is it's not a shift in what we understand to be affecting the environment. it is at the moment still from your perspective happening. we're still seeing an impact of pollution to the environment? >> oh, it's stronger all the time. when i was doing the science guy show, the parts per million of carbon dioxide in the air was in the 380s. now it's 392. and this is one of the famous -- >> what does that mean by the way, bill? >> say again? >> what does the 380 to 392 mean? >> 392 parts per million of carbon dioxide. it's not just that's it high, it's the rate at which it is gettin...