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Even a wall that they're coming back and people say well it's not worth it because what we were told isn't true. it's not worth the money or risk. >> rick, you are familiar with this issue. i don't get this was all this talk about an emergency. you are fine to say democrats are trying to hide from the reality and seeing the caravans for what they were. fine. score points on that. i was never that basket. i always knew it was there because i have been there so often and talked to these people so often. they have needs of building accommodations and having more judges and more caseworkers and mo...

If you're democrats running the house, why leave any stone unturned. plus, you have a ton of new members, excited, enthus stsk who want to score points as a president, that will make them look good in their primary, what they're just as concerned about as the republicans are, so let them take their shots. let them look at whatever they want to look at. it can't hurt anything. >> what would be interesting is to do oversight hearings on cabinet members. you could see once you show how infectiously buddy buddy they were with private industry, that's not going to go down. >> if you want to be mach...

Trish: you're right. as though that's going to happen >> right but the idea just spending all the time on investigations and they're not investigating. they're just trying to -- trish: political witch hunt? >> well i wouldn't use that term but they are political events designed to score points for their party, and that's just not the right way. trish: i agree with you and i worry that increasingly we're seeing this breakdown in washington whereas you say they're not looking at actually meaningful immigration reform or other policies that will get us forward but rather it's how do we stick it t...

Doesn't do enough to show leadership. it starts at the top. he needs to change his rhetoric. the whole idea of shouting "lock her up" about hillary clinton when she's a former secretary of state and first lady who's committed no crime, he needs to control his own rallies because they seem to be hate rallies, at least parts of the trump speeches as he goes around the country. >> you mentioned the president. times of crisis, and you're a presidential historian, certainly can define presidents. what do you make of the president's response this week, not only to the pipe bombs sent to his critics ...

President trump is using the wrangling over brett kavanaugh to score points. republicans optimistic and enthusiastic that kavanaugh will be confirmed. the president said moments ago in minneapolis that he thinks kavanaugh is doing very well. kaitlyn collins is traveling with the president. with the kavanaugh vote even closer, what do we expect to hear from president trump when it comes to his rally this evening? >> reporter: aides say it's almost guaranteed that president trump brings up kavanaugh tonight. this is his third rally and with each one we've seen him grow tougher on his attacks of ...