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Three, after the first midterm of a president's first term, that's a good time to be changing the nation's health care plan. i think she's struggling with it. she struggled with a lot of positions but this one i think is causing her suffering in iowa. >> jen psaki, one of the reasons buttigieg is rising is because they see him kind of like as the goldilocks candidate, not too hot, not too cold, just right. if you look at the polling, not too liberal, not too conservative, about right. buttigieg, 63%. wow, 3% of people think sanders is too conservative. okay. i got to give it to them. in any ca...

Have the same patterns. by the way, the same patterns that were articulated in the mueller report. my questioning of robert mueller was around witness tampering and witness intimidation on judiciary. this is a pattern, but the thing is we're seeing it unfold in front of people. president bribing a foreign ally to investigate a political opponent, get involved in the election. and withholding this critical aid for a country that is in a very, very destabilizing region and position. >> your expression makes it look like, scott, you don't buy it. you don't think it's witness intimidation? >> i th...

>> i absolutely agree with that! it's one of the things i have to agree with scott on. you can't -- you're not going to win independents by going completely to the left. zbli i'm sorry but medicare to all doesn't speak to me and a lot of people. he's saying i'm a little bit reasonable here. he actually pleasant. you know, there's a sense of stability that is there that people are just desperate for. so i'm not surprised he's actually rising in the polls. i think people are looking for a different alternative because they don't really -- they're not necessarily okay with what is in the field no...

Around witness tampering and witness intimidation on judiciary. this is is a pattern but we're seeing it unfold in front of people. a president bribing a foreign ally to investigate a political opponent, get involved in the election, and withholding this critical aid for a country that is in a very, very destabilizing region and position. >> your expression makes it look like you don't buy it, scott? >> no. i think the democrats would be on firmer ground here if they wouldn't want to continue to try to impeach the president over the tweets. it doesn't make it technically smart. i think the tes...

It. she struggled with a lot of positions but thing is causing her suffering in iowa. >> jen, possibly one of the reasons that buttigieg is rising because they see him kind of like the golding locks candidate. not too hot, not too cold, just right. if you look at the polling, not too liberal, not too conservative, about right. wow, there are 3% of people that think sanders is too conservative. okay. got give it to them. in any case, do you think that is the secret to his success? he's appealing to everyone and not too extreme one way or the other? >> i think he's a unique political talent. it ...