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He would ask, how reliable is this? is it third-hand information? is it second-hand information? does it come directly from the source? listen, no one likes to think about the fact we're spying on allies or allies are spying on us. in the real word, this goes on. not because you think that person in particular may be dangerous to us. they could have information. they could be having a conversation that fits into an overall mosaic that could be helpful for us to find out what is happening in the world as far as our diplomatic and military leverage. i wish everybody would step back and just thin...

Remove the long-standing national membership requirements. it could leave it up to individual organizations to decide for themselves. some may well say we want to admit them. some may say they don't. and the scouting organization says parents and sponsored could decide for themselves which one they want to send their children to. it has support within the board, they say, and they strongly expect it will pass. >> james dale, is that enough for you? >> thank you. it's a great first step, but i don't think they should kick the can down the road. you can't have children in one group thinking that...

Scouts and scout leaders among vo is y mistaktino their ranks reversing their long-held ban. ilare low skd m my guest tonight james dale took on the scouts in a case that went to the supreme court which in 2000 decided the boy scouts e ar it ey'll dend o were allowed to refuse gays including dale himself. to the nionareviewhat pu also with me tonight nbc's pete williams who broke this story immiation beromney o earlier this week. gosell oeplyd welcome to both of you. pete, what's the latest? coinbump is this is a done deal? up t33 >> seems like it. people we talk to that both i'surprise tse su...

Heterosexual sex? >> exactly. the boy scouts of america, we don't talk about sex really at all. it's interesting that darren would say that. we've heard this line before, actually. we hear it frequently. what's important to note is when miss terrell was released from her son's cub scout pack, that's the first time this notion had ever been discussed with the pack. this is something we've seen over and over. it's not until leaders are forced to resign and those kids are wondering why their favorite leader has been forced to leave the troop. they then have to understand what this means. at the e...