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You don't do anything. i don't see that as scraping utopia. i hope we can find ways to push people into jobs that are more creative and allow for more of this flow and less of the anxiety and more of the positive feelings and we can use technological change to allow people to find their passions. >> do you end up hopeful or worried? >> i am hopeful about people and worried about the government. i don't think the government we have today can enact a law, like a universal basic income, a social security for everyone, a government check for everybody which i think is absolutely essential for peop...

Would we be less anxious without gravity. it's difficult to find a control group for this question. there is something about busyness, something about losing yourself in the flow of a job and the flow of a good challenge that does really feed the human soul. and so, when i look at this piece, when i look at this future, i think leisure is a possibility. you could have a lot of people who just don't do anything. but i don't see that as even scraping utopia. i hope that we can find ways to push people into jobs that are more creative, that allow for more of this flow, less of the anxiety, more o...