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>> most people think he won't. most everyone thought northam wouldn't survive last weekend. he is still dug in his heels. determined to just resign having just given another bizarre interview to the "washington post". it's too early tore write him off for sure unless he wants to throw in the towel. there hasn't been an independent investigation of the charges. maybe he is going to insist on that. and others have asked for that too before they ask for his resignation. they want to know if these charges are actually true. >> darren, you write in buzzfeed northam is not planning to step down. he'...

Electorate and the whole personality has to be filled in. >> let's talk about somebody, ryan, the nation already knows well. we have new reporting that hillary clinton is telling people she's not closing the doors on this idea of running again in 2020. ryan, do you think this is all talk or do you think she really may get into this race? >> this is a little bit of a head scratcher because the last two times she ran, she was extremely deliberate. she kind of froze the whole field in place before she made her decision. and she sent a lot of signals to potential competitors, to donors, to activis...

Believed you, and decided to just act. but i don't think that's the case. do you? >> no. who knows why the president is making this decision today? as much as i think it's been a mistake to have 2000 american troops there who, frankly, aren't close to enough to tip the balance of power the way that he did it is totally handed. it makes the country weaker. he pulled the rug from under our diplomats on the ground in the middle east. >> and your allies. >> he did it right on the precipice of a turkish offensive against the kurds after promising the kurds the last year and a half we would protect ...

Promising the kurds the last year and a half we would protect them. listen, i think we have vastly overstated what 2000 american troops can do inside a country that has hundreds of thousands of fighters on all of the other various sides. but the way in which he did this is just a head scratcher to both people that support the troops being there and me who oppose them. >> you can argue you don't have enough people there. as long as you're going to add more people, don't call it advise and assist missions because that's dishonest to the families of the men and women who have to go shed their blo...

Bill clinton's fill landering, what's the head scratcher. >> i care. orrin can speak for himself. i care. i'll let you in his heart of hearts president trump regrets ever associating himself with mr. cohen. maybe mr. cohen was a great lawyer and produced great results. i don't know. but he looks to me like -- i don't know the man. it looks to me like he's a gangster. >> yeah. again, it is not the association of michael cohen i'm asking about. it is the one with stormy daniels and karen mcdougal and if that still matters. >> yes. but i trust the american people to make up their own minds about ...