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>> no -- yes, and no to be honest. the reality is every one of us here and everyone in this room has had some tragedy in their life. some tragedy. we either -- tragedies make you stronger or break families apart. and i've been a blessed, blessed son. had my aunt move in with me, grandmother raise me, new mom five years later. family that enveloped my brother and i with love and i've been a lucky man. >> we have these beautiful stories, tender moments as the screen shows and then jeff greenfield over here, know what he was doing last night? >> what's is ththat? >> mental image. >> he's on the f...

And, when you factor in total compensation, you look at the fact they cannot be fired, it is not surprising then that somebody in the public sector is 8 times less likely to voluntarily quit. and, so a lot of my opponents, particularly the federal unions, say, well, it's not really true, people in the government sector make less money and my response to that is, if that is true, why aren't they going into the private sector to take those jobs. >> alisyn: i have an illustration of that, the next full screen shows since 2000, it didn't happen, start with the obama administration, federal compens...