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Facing a criminal investigation by the sdny, the office he used to literally run. i am joined now by david kelly that also held that top job. thanks for being on the special. >> my pleasure. >> when you see mr. giuliani as a suspect in this probe being name checked that many times in the hearings, is that bad for him in the investigation or irrelevant? >> i think it's probably largely irrelevant unless there was some information disclosed they didn't already know. my guess is there probably aren't an awful lot of surprises, but it is really hard to say where they are with their investigation. ...

The idea he wouldn't recall a conversation with the both can't be true. he would remember one way or the other. >> yeah. it is dodgy. as you say, you have been on the inside. those things are well documented and you do things when you are on the phone with the president. matt miller, really appreciate your clarity here. >> thank are yyou, ari. >> our exclusive interview with the prosecutor who ran the sdny unit that's investigating rudy. and why the next hearings could be very difficult for one trump aid and the bribery case. . con liberty mutual solo pagas lo que necesitas. only pay for wha...

Office. you see it right here. go to msnbc.com/sdny if you are in or near new york and you want to join us, it is at columbia law school thursday, december 5th. it is called independent justice. it will have david, me, barry berger and six former attorneys from sdny. msnbc.com/sdny to get your tickets tonight. my special report connecting even more dots in the trump bribery plot. and later we will answer some of your questions. anything you ever wanted to know about impeachment but were afraid to ask. afraid to ask. as a struggling actor,