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We are vigilant and have important programs in place. >> all things lead to -- things that are not in the public, things that have been surveiled secretly can end up being abused. >> people can listen to phone conversations. >> that's why this is a good conversation to have and it's incumbent on the president to defend it. if you take the argument to an extreme, there should be no classified information in the government. the military, cia, there should be no secrets. when the s.e.a.l.e.s go to get bin laden that should be publicly reported when a helicopter takes off. there is a legitimacy to...

One of the reasons we have not suffered another 9-11 is because we are vigilant and have important programs in place. >> all things lead to -- things that are not in the public, things that have been surveiled secretly can end up being abused. >> people can listen to phone conversations. >> that's why this is a good conversation to have and it's incumbent on the president to defend it. if you take the argument to an extreme, there should be no classified information in the government. the military, cia, there should be no secrets. when the s.e.a.l.e.s go to get bin laden that should be publicl...