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It is what is the responsibility, the duty of independent business owners to participate in same-sex wedding ceremonies if they have a religious objection to them? this is a case where a cake baker in colorado said to a gay couple i will make you a birthday cake, but i will not make you a wedding cake. and the civil rights commission of colorado found against them. the argument in favor of the civil rights commission is that, look, we don't allow businesses to discriminate. we don't allow businesses to say i will serve white customers but not black customers, serve catholics but not jews, stra...

Into all kinds of religious groups, how do you respond? >> i mean, it is simple, the constitution already takes care of that, and one thing we do know is that once the government sets up this mutual benefit program, it can't simply say to someone just because he used to choose a certain faith, that you are disqualified it to that program. so it is not funding religious programs, they are funding a playground that protects all children, whether they are on a secular playground. >> shannon: i want to ask you about a case that will be heard in the fall, this is the case of the colorado baker, a c...

>> discourse among the left became polarized, the control left for that reason, we need to reassert ourselves, individual rights, and i think when that discourse became hardened, we saw the results of it. we saw what happened, charles who is also been listed by them, suffered a concussion because she tried to stop them from being attacked, we saw the attempt on the republican lawmakers life, we often associate violence with far right or islamist jihadist, but in this case, it is leading to violence. and it needs to be checked. when we were critical of mccarthyism, it was precisely that tactic ...

House next year and ultimately single-payer, or will you just fulfill the promise? >> bill: you are making the case that they cannot afford it to vote? >> that is what the leadership is saying. >> bill: will they vote this week or not? one of the reasons why people don't take those with scores so seriously is because there are problems with how cbo scores consistently miss estimated -- i was going to do a george bush thing, they claim that there were far fewer that would be uninsured, they were wrong about how many people would be covered in specific aspects of obamacar obamacare, this program...

Involving same-sex marriage and religious liberty, which you have both been talking about. interestingly, there is one case that was brought here to the supreme court out of arkansas. it was brought by two same-sex couples, both of them married. they were petitioning and appealing this decision to the supreme court to have their names, both of the people in that same-sex marriage on a birth certificate. arkansas law said that, no, you could not have both names on a birth certificate if you were a same-sex couple. in a sense, treating a same-sex couple differently than a heterosexual couple. th...