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About monetizing that very notion. is there a risk that he becomes a political martyr? >> no. >> you say no. >> so many of the nonsense he's put on that site he talks about the origin of the covid vaccine. he talks about the election fraud. he talks about all kinds of conspiracy theories. this is not going to make him a martyr. this case -- if you look back to the origin of why he started this nonsense it was because he felt as though this was the government's way of taking your guns away from you and was appealing to the second amendment crowd. but you don't do it on the backs and at the hear...

This divisive thing. that's important as a turning point for the democratic party. i remember john kerry going on hunting trips to be photographed with guns. and we see beto o'rourke and kamala harris and cory booker talking about a buyback program that has a chance to -- not taint, but change the trajectory of what's going on on capitol hill with background checks. >> that's texas. that's gun country right there. and that played well in that room. >> the democrats trying to, i guess, define, use health care to define the debate. a big statement on guns, that will animate the second amendment ...

People are suspicious oof the media is keep it there. remember he said i want to see what would happen if hillary clinton didn't have her secret service detail and maybe the second amendment crowd will get her. that is a threat on her safety and it continues. and it was wrong then and it's wrong now. >> thank you both. appreciate it. is mealtime a st? introducing ore-ida potato pay. where ore-ida golden crinkles are your crispy currency to pay for bites of this... ...with this. when kids won't eat dinner, potato pay them to. ore-ida. win at mealtime.

authorities were tracking mr. ferdaus for the better part of this year. at least since january of 2011. they do indicate that he began some of his various plotting last year but they have tracked him at least since january. they have used undercover agents and at least one cooperating witness who started taping conversations with him earlier this year. so this was a fairly elaborate sting operation that lasted until today when they actually sold him what he thought was some explosive material. they said not a lot of it was the real thing because they were obviously trying to trick hi...