articulated, the idea of all the benefits you have with the notion of the united states versus someone's name. but mark meadows, he's been pretty quiet lately. and you've called him one of the key witnesses here. do you think mark meadows has been cooperating with this team? >> no idea. there's evidence that he appeared before the grand jury. i don't know if he appeared and provided real testimony. i don't know. he refused to come in and interview with the select committee. although he gave us some of the most important evidence with the text messages that gave us a really clear window into how central he was personally involved. all the precursor acts, the pressure on the justice department, on the vice president, the contact with state officials. mark meadows is right there in the room when all of that happened. then he's present all day on