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Focus on the looks of the gun, we should focus on the action. what does it actually do when you squeeze the trigger. and to me, that's where the gun is more lethal. but, you know, ed, i am a second amendment guy. but i do think having this discussion is a very important part of the process that we must go through as americans. >> well, there is no question about that. and i appreciate that. we need a discussion. but americans would look at what happened in newtown, connecticut, and say that's an assault weapon. i mean, there was rapid-fire that took the lives of 28 -- 26 people -- 28 people. 2...

Australia as well. >> you know as well as i do that -- in australia, here it's 3.3%. no matter what you do with the stats, it's way below us in australia. that's just a fact. >> that is a fact. but the united states is a whole lot of reasons why we have the violent crime, not just with guns, but other weapons as well. a lot of cultural, economic, social reasons why. >> i see that. and australia has only 22 million. we have 320 people. canada, again, they have 35 million people. but wouldn't it make a little bit more sense just to tighten things up a little bit? i am a second amendment guy. and...

Weapon because they had 30-round clips in there. i mean, where do you draw the line? >> well, i think a lot of the things that you mention are actually cosmetic parts of a gun. they might make it look ugly and mean. but the real question in my mind is can you pull the trigger one time and have multiple rounds fired. because that's what would make an assault weapon. and connecticut does have an assault weapon ban. it has 30 rifles that are considered banned. but this one does not fall under that definition. so in my opinion, rather than focus on the looks of the gun, we should focus on the acti...

>> you know as well as i do that -- in australia, here it's 3.3%. no matter what you do with the stats, it's way below us in australia. that's just a fact. >> that is a fact. but the united states is a whole lot of reasons why we have the violent crime, not just with guns, but other weapons as well. a lot of cultural, economic, social reasons why. >> i see that. and australia has only 22 million. we have 320 people. canada, again, they have 35 million people. but wouldn't it make a little bit more sense just to tighten things up a little bit? i am a second amendment guy. and i know what the fo...