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Really want to win the election you have to go with marco rubio. well, who knows. this is a crazy year. you can't make that argument. there are numerous republicans who have a shot to beat hillary and i think that donald trump for all the problems i have with him i am not convinced he couldn't win the general election. >> say that again? >> for all the problems i have with donald trump the notion that hillary would trounce him automatically -- >> is that new? >> i don't know that i've said that publicly, don. >> and bernie? >> i don't think -- i don't think bernie has much of a shot, honestly....

And a lot of folks own guns, and so this is not like alien territory to me. i've got a lot of friends like mark who are hunters. i just came back from alaska where i ate a moose that had just been shot, and it was pretty good. so yes, it is a false notion that i believe is circulated for either political reasons or commercial reasons in order to prevent a coming together among people of good will to develop common sense rules to make it safer while preserving the second amendment and the notion that we can't agree on some things while not agreeing on

Be concerned at this point about his legacy. do you think his eight years in office will be defined in some way by gun violence and the fact he is doing something about it is it going to be a part of his legacy? >> a very big part. i don't think it will be defined by it. the fact he inherented the recession and how the economy does will be a very big deal. but no doubt about it. when he ran in 2008 you had the district of columbia versus heller, the supreme court decision 5-4 based in washington, d.c. that gave some life to the second amendment notion of the right to bear arms. so president ob...