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Processed it, and then finding a way to essentially move on from im. >> reporter: an ability these survivors from cleveland thus far seem to be illustrating in astonishing abundance. dan harris, abc news, new york. >> they look good. sound good. you hope that they just can keep staying that way. >> yeah. it is amazing how resilient you they are. just only word you can think of. to bring you back if you don't remember two. months ago, amanda berry essentially started yelling from the inside of the house they were held captive in for a decade. a neighbor saw her, came got her and her daughter ou...

>> the more details we get. the more, they say a circumstantial case. plenty of people have been convicted on solid circumstantial evidence. it is circumstantial, doesn't mean you aren't going to go down for it. >> the two men arrested with him are also involved, you know they're not charged but involved, now they're both saying that he is the one that, was directly linked to it now. we have eyewitnesses. that changes everything. all right. federal investigators determined the pilots of the jumbo jet that crash landed in san francisco realized too late that they were flying too low and too slo...

The jury like an intertory, not like a witness. so o jury heard what the judge said, they're going to remember it. the question is whether that bias -- katie: we reached tout allen jackson who is the deputy d.a. he tried the case. his is what he said -- >> we don't have an outcome to . so he may spend the rest of his life in prison. he may get a new trial, in another trial, he could be acquitted or he could be reconvicted. the questi udge victed. can be a witness. katie: rachelle, when they found out that you were going to be on our show, some friends of lana clarkson objected strongly to your...

And said the judge saw i. and basically said the judge a witness which i can't think of any other case where a judge has been a witness in a case that he's presiding over. in the end, the prosecution said if you don't believe me, believe the judge. again, this is going to bias a jury. katie: so you say us and we. what is your involvement in the case? >> i'm a criminalnologist but i also work as an attorney. i'm taking it from both sides. katie: are you associated with the case at all? >> not at all. no. i've read all of the evidence and i've read the trial transcripts. so the question is, real...

Line, the world, if you will, to defend this man. katie: do you think he will ever be released? i know the name of your album is "bring him home." but are you optimistic that will happen? >> i am. i mean, you have to have hope. you have to believe. and believe that that one whobe aspect surrounding this case will do the right thing. katie: dr. casey jordan is here. she is an attorney and criminologist. i know you've gone through the trial records. what is the basis of this appeal? >> well, in the first trial, we had a hung jury. there was a criminalist who was being cross-examined by the confu...