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Up the release of the javelins. it was in december of 2017 that the state department had announced that it was approving the sale and then in march given final approval. by april, the first of the javelins had arrived. the holdup was not lasting that long. the difference between the first go-round, second go-round, clear intention to influence political ross in pru krcrew ukraine. the first round you had some of the same players. giuliani was present in ukraine and visiting with the president poroshenko in june 2017 and november of 2017. we don't know that giuliani was, you know, very publicly...

Highest -- in highest, the highest court of law and with the charges that should be appropriate. this is a murder case that has been open, and it is a case that requires, i think, a vigorous amount of investigation and i'm hoping that that takes place. i really am concerned about saying or doing anything that impedes that progress, and the process. so -- but i just hope that justice prevails. >> how optimistic are you that that's going to happen? you look at other cases reopened and what's happened to them. how much optimism may you have here to the outcome may be different? >> this is the sec...

Would do out of his law firm funds or whatever funds, doesn't matter. the president reimbursed that over a period of several months. >> i distinctly remember that he did it on his own. >> he did. >> without asking. >> look, i don't know. i haven't investigated that. no reason to dispute that. no reason to dispute his recollection. i like michael a lot. you like michael a lot. >> known him a long time. >> i feel very bad he's been victimized like this. the president feels even worse. the fact is, just trust me, they're going to come up with no violations there. >> meaning -- >> yeah, payments w...

Challenges that i know vex this white house and his lawyers. >> i think we have isolated what i was talking about. let's try it again. >> that was money that was paid by -- by his lawyer, the way i would do out of his law firm funds or whatever funds, doesn't matter. the president reimbursed that over a period of several months. >> i distinctly remember that he did it on his own. >> he did. >> without asking. >> look, i don't know. i haven't investigated that. no reason to dispute that. no reason to dispute his recollection. i like michael a lot. you like michael a lot. >> known him a long tim...

>> do you think he has sent well cooked, well thought out legislation to congress so far? do you think paul ryan thinks he has a good partner in donald trump? >> i think there's no question on the tax cut. that was well thought out. that's the principals republicans have believed in for years. on health care reform, i think the president was the one pushing for it. it was a failure inside the house republican coges to unify. and if they're not able to unify in the second go round, what'ser the point of having the republicans control the house? republican margins are thin and it's a tricky mix....