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Act and reauthorize fisa, is this a momentarily distrust or is this how republicans now feel across the board with our intelligence and some of our law enforcement agencies? >> i think what it is embolmatic of, katy, they do not have anything unified strategy with questions surrounding this impeachment. no strategy whether or not they can defend the president's actions outright. you've seen this hodgepodge of different strategies whether it's complaining that the whistle-blower was having second-hand information, which now seems likely to be corroborated by other witnesses and making process a...

Whistle-blower as a partisan person who should not be believed, who has hearsay and second-hand information, having someone else come out and corroborate that information i think undermines some of those arguments. >> hans, as we know, the state department, mike pompeo, did not meet the deadline, for the subpoenas that were issued to him. what's next? what are the ramifications? >> we don't know what ramifications are for missing these subpoenas. it basically gets down to standoff between separations of powers and we know that the white house is going to slow walk any effort to get additional ...

Thought was something that was actionable by the doj. the doj brushes it aside and says it's not a campaign finance violation. are they using the code to protect donald trump saying if we can't find an actual crime, there's nothing to see. >> they're using it as both a shield and a sword and they're using it inappropriately and unfairly in my view. it's great to parse these things out. to impeach the president you don't need a crime but to go after pompeo for what he did apparently being on a call that he then said well, you know, i understand it's based on second hand information, well guess ...

Evidence of wrongdoing by joe biden and hunter biden. as jeremy just said, i think what we're seeing here again is very similar to his reaction during the mueller investigation. what were john kelly and mattis and everyone quoted as saying? erratic, unhinged. this is outrageous and it is going to simply add for the democrats more evidence on their side. the articles of impeachment, this is a political battle that this is an abuse of power. >> fraand from your perspective what do you think just happened and what this means for where we in this obviously very clearly historical moment? >> so jus...

Calls with other world leaders, putin, mbs, were hidden. i mean he's proven credible as the i.g. said. >> look, i think the substance of the phone call that the president had with the ukrainian leader, it was inappropriate. it was certain ill advised, but that call in and of itself in my view and many others, it is not an impeachable act. and that certainly will be debated and can be discussed as we get further information. when we have a whistle-blower report that is -- it is something that is credible based on the nature of the report, how it was laid out, the way it was written, using legal...