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Have its privacy. it needs to be able to speak openly with one another. it needs to be able to conjure and convince and not fully badger one another. they have to be able to do this and trust they can just be amongst themselves in their discussion. so i don't even know whether we're talking about one holdout, a half and half panel or some other permutation of this. but i always find this a very fascinating science. i always find it, this is our jurisprudence playing out the way it should. the one thing i will tell you though, suzanne, is that i have seen a dynamite charge happen twice in the p...