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Now, turning attention to the ron johnson letter if i may. Yes. On august 31st, Senator Johnson is getting ready to travel to ukraine on September 5th with senator murphy. And he wanted johnson wanted the aid released, he calls the president , he actually sought permission to be the bearer of good news. Right. The president said, im not ready to lift the aid. And they had this Senator Johnson. He writes a ten page letter, very detailed. And he gives some remarkable deta detail. And id like to read it, its on page 6. I add this is Senator Johnson speaking, i asked him whether there was some kin...

Been talking for approximately 75 minutes today. and i want to thank you for that. >> my wife thanks you as well. she likes it when i do the talking when she's not around. time permitting today, i'd like to cover four or five areas, distinct areas -- there's a lot of facts that the american people have not heard. and there's a lot of contradictions in certain people's testimony, is that fair to say, mr. caster? >> i'd like to talk about some of the people in this story that have firsthand knowledge of the facts. we have ambassador volker, ambassador sondland and second perry. you had the oppor...

Do that? >> do you agree with mr. mulvaney. >> there is a difference between political influence and investigating a rival. because politics enters into everything relating to foreign policy. >> so -- but you disagree that the president -- you agree that the president should not be allowed to ask for the investigation of a political rival? >> in the context of what was going on in ukraine, i believe that the president should not investigate a political rival in return for a quid pro quo. >> joining us now the man mo asked the question. democratic congressman jauquin castro. congressman, what w...

Private, it ought to be done in public. >> and they are going to be releasing transcripts of all of the testimonies, robert. but the point being that their procedure is to do this sequentially, build these cases. it's equivalent of a grand jury, the trial, the public trial will be in the senate, as you well know. and there have been several key players, second perry, outgoing energy secretary perry who did an op-ed or an interview in "the wall street journal," trying to put their versions out to perhaps help some of their fellow witnesses. that's the whole reason they're keeping them secret un...

About. the thing to worry about is blundering into a war. >> jenna: you gave us a lot to think about with your expertise in particular. second perry, great to have you on the program, we appreciate it and look forward to having you back, thank you. >> get to talk to you. >> jon: a judge criticized by then presidential candidate donald trump is said to hear a major immigration case, a so-called dreamer who claims he was unlawfully deported. so did agents violate his protected status? and there are a lot of rumors rambling around washington that the justice department is considering charges, cri...