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They were doing going after fox. >> sean: what about fox's hard lines, not having anything to do with james rosen at pentagon, at the state department, the white house work space and fox executives as if somehow -- -- >> i don't know if there is an enemies' list, including the tea party and patriot groups and fox news. to be named as co-conspirator, i think it's illegal. >> sean: this is the reason we need a free press. isn't it to keep government in power in check? >> absolutely. there are lines here that are clear. the press has every right to probe, to push and ask questions. it's the gover...

Questions. it's the government official that knows the obligation that they have. i can't imagine in all of this, i never heard of a reporter being named as an co-conspirator. i think mr. rosen consider a libel suit against the justice department. i think they defamed him unfairly totally outrageous behavior but we're getting use to two or three a day. i look at the justice department and i feel like the wheels are coming off the justice department. >> sean: it sounds to me they decided to have carte blanche to spy? >> they sure did. there is no question that they did. there are so many surgic...

Relevant, sir. >> gentlemen? >> well, there is a statement made over the weekend that whether the laws were broken was irrelevant vent. i'm just asking do you believe laws are relevant in this case? >> i mean, i guess i would agree with... inspector general. people should not break the law. >> i was shocked, senator, by your exchange there. because he -- dan fiver said it over the weekend. >> well, he did. that is the point i was getting at sna if there were laws broken and inspector glengen ral did say that if they took confidential information and gave to it someone else, in this case that w...

Be named as unindicted co-conspirator. >> sean: do you think its pattern, they have an ongoing war with fox news chanl. >> how can you miss the fact there is a pattern here. we also have the irs going after right wing groups. it seems to me that the people of this administration got the signal from the top, go after these people. it's like murder in the cathedral when henry ii said rid me this of priest and killed beckett. >> sean: what do you make of it? >> i think we can say criminal matter. she is taking the fifth amendment. she is saying the answer may incriminate her. so the reality is, t...

Administration when they had drone strikes and seal team 6 killed osama bin laden. bob gates, shut the blank up. >> right. obama himself will reveal actually national security information that will harm the united states if it reflects on him. burr here in this case, the big story that they are claiming was national security leak is north korea was going to start testing nukes again in response to u.n. sanctions, this is not like we're dealing with a tracking program. >> sean: this is deeper. i wanted your thoughts. >> bush administration didn't talk to either the newspapers or media in those ...