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Perfect, i'm not sure it matters. and i think the voters who are engaged right now, they're really looking at those factors, who he is, ha his background is, what kind of a person he is. who do they want to beat trump? and who they want to lead this country and bring us back to some version, some semblance of normal. and so in some ways, you know, back to your point, joe, is he being graded differently? i almost think that the opposite is happening. and, you know, it's still a little bit too much a focus on those 30 second sound bites. >> you've got to be able to complete a sentence if you're ...

>> i think they will be united in all things obama and to the points made by seven. simplicity rapid and. donald trump has a very simplistic message resonating with the public. i think that speaks to our limited attention spanz and 20-second sound bites and plays to the time in which we're living. >> there's a point you're both make begun style versus substance, clarity matters. i was watching the tape of the president, at pentagon. they don't do fake photo-ops, all these guys standing around him and when he delivers the payoff line. >> you're next. >> i have to say he looks down at his paper ...

That walk among michelle bachmann and that marco sure seems fun. >> the latest rick perry ad doesn't feature rick perry. that is until the end. take a look at this. >> i'm anita perry. when rick served duty as a captain in the air force, he returned home to farm with his dad and asked me to marry him. we grew up in small towns, raced with christian values, val yuz we still believe in. we know that washington, d.c. could use some of that. i'm rick perry and i real yea prove this message. >> he really approved it, mike. does that make a difference. >> when he popped into that ad, i thought i was...