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Polls right now h meaning a whoe lot. they give us a big picture, but i think that it was interesting from my perspective that candidates that weren't polling as well including yourself did very well in the florida straw poll. why do you think that's the case? >> well, look. i've been getting a lost comments -- lot of comments both in florida and here in pennsylvania tonight. people are watching the debates, and the thing i hear more than anything else is let all the other candidates be heard from. i think they were tired and several of the early debates of two or three candidates getting half...

But if in fact she does make a run information the white house would people actually vote for her? >> you are right. the name i.d. is helpful early on. but especially with the survey with jowlany, that was a national survey. you have to compete in iowa and go to new hampshire. but then she has to go hand-to-hand bats until iowa. she may have to deal with michele bachmann. they compete for the same sawed yenss. they are very similar. tina fey can only portray one of them on "saturday night live." all these second-tier candidate after mitt romney, they are all soampt competing to be the anti-rom...

It was, and what it was was a second-tier at best debay, it was vaguely interesting. look, ron paul did ron paul's thing. i always feel like if debates translated into actual victories, ron paul would be great. they know how to pack a room and clap for anything he says. it is remarkable. i think ron paul could say i just had baloney for lunch, and his people would go, yay, ron, go get 'em! that sways it a little bit. we all knew tim pawlenty is the one guy on the stage who could wind up fwg no, ma'being the no. he was serious, focused on obama, did the kind of things you should do if you're a ...

Of those, television's unwatchable for some people and talking about earned media, msnbc and being interviewed by you so instead of me a dopey journal itself, you have on jeb bush or scott walker or anybody and not talking about trump and that's earned media and very important to a candidate's strategy for increasing the name i.d. and the support in the race. >> yeah. so, john, speak to that because what we have been hearing about this week in the land of paid media, paid ads, club for growth taking on trump. that's a potential boost to any other candidate really. dropping a million in iowa. w...