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Hillary clinton is very likely to win this election. donald trump found people who we didn't necessarily -- weren't polling, didn't expect to vote. they turned out. the question is, is donald trump also, particularly as a president, a really good turnout machine for democrats. is the level of vitriol directed at him -- i've never seen like this in polling. his unfavorable rating is let's say 59%. his strongly unfavorable rating is a 55%. you either like him or hate him and typically in politics that kind of -- i don't want to say anger, but anger, distaste, drives and in a midterm election the...

Polls right now h meaning a whoe lot. they give us a big picture, but i think that it was interesting from my perspective that candidates that weren't polling as well including yourself did very well in the florida straw poll. why do you think that's the case? >> well, look. i've been getting a lost comments -- lot of comments both in florida and here in pennsylvania tonight. people are watching the debates, and the thing i hear more than anything else is let all the other candidates be heard from. i think they were tired and several of the early debates of two or three candidates getting half...

Then under absolutely no circumstances must you apologize? >> i think governor huckabee has learned something from donald trump's surge in the polls, which is if you hold your ground against the media, a faction of the republican base will support you. i think you're also seeing sort of a fox news effect where some candidates who weren't polling as well need to keep themselves in the top ten if they're going to make it on to the debate stage, and that's creating a perverse incentive for them to say really wild things. i think there's an interesting angle about mike huck we himself, which is di...