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>> where i think you are going wrong is two fold. i think that you overestimate the availability of those services and poor people's ability to access them. >> that's -- >> -- first off. and secondly i. >> go ahead. >> the second point was that you were making the point that because children might be hungry it's totally the parent's fault and that it was a form of child abuse. and i thought that your characterization of the poor was unfair and not nuanced enough. >> let's take your situation, all right? from what i understand our research of you, in san diego, when you were growing up, there w...

>> where i think you are going wrong is two fold. i think that you overestimate the availability of those services and poor people's ability to access them. >> that's -- >> -- first off. and secondly i. >> go ahead. >> the second point was that you were making the point that because children might be hungry it's totally the parent's fault and that it was a form of child abuse. and i thought that your characterization of the poor was unfair and not nuanced enough. >> let's take your situation, all right? from what i understand our research of you, in san diego, when you were growing up, there w...