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First-hand witnesses for one simple reason. the president is blocking not just himself, but all of the people around him, every executive branch employee, from going and testifying. and the only reason we heard yesterday from those two amazing gentlemen is because they went and defied a presidential order saying don't testify because they felt their duty to the country was that important. so, look, if we want to have first-hand witnesses from that's what the republicans want, i'm sure the democrats' view is bring it on. just come in and tell the truth. why are you so afraid do that? particular...

Congress of the united states how is it that he forgot about a phone conversation he had with the president of the united states about all of this? which he hasn't brought forth beforehand. and as jonathan was saying, impeachment is not just an outcome, it is also a process. and this is the process working out, mika, day in and day out and it's going to anger the president, but it is absolutely something called for by our constitution. regardless of what happens at the end of the day, however the senate votes, this is about the most solemn and important inquiry we could imagine. because when w...

Some outside forces to try to push back, to try continue to ject their own narrative into this. the talking points that we saw from press secretary grisham and eric trump, the president's son was at the matter, the hearings were boring, that was a word we heard a lot. also this may have been a foreign policy disagreement, that was their claim, that taylor and kent were making, but it was not an peeshl offenimpea offense. what are you hearing and what do they think they need to do going forward? this is a process that's just starting and it's going to get more intense in the days ahead. how do ...

We know she's hearings will go on for weeks. we'll have marie yovanovitch, next week lieutenant colonel vindman. but people will begin to tune this out. it will become wallpaper on the television at some point. so how would you recommend democrats proceed here? they had good witnesses yesterday to begin the process. what should they do from here? >> well, the democrats are building both the political and legal case. but to build a legal case, they're doing it exactly right. first, closed interviews and then second open interviews. and the reason to sequence it that way is because when people c...

Whatever mud at the wall they can throw and hope it will stick. >> still throw process up against the wall. opening statement devin nunes talked about this star chamber, secret process locked away in the basement of the capitol. it was in the basement because that's where the scif is, he knows that. but they're trying to create mystery that's very clear to people and it was made perhaps more clear who you have two people who have served republicans and democrats say i'm not here to help you decide whether or not the offensives we're laying out are impeachable, i'm here to tell you what i know....