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Bring things together. let's smooth this over and propose that trump give the presidential medal of freedom to pence, his vice president. wouldn't be hard, of course, ivanka and jared said, well, we'll wait on that. that's not going to work at this point so big movement. >> a lot of what we're hearing from the committee seems to be laying the groundwork for what will ultimately be the public hearings here. what do you think the story is that the committee will ultimately tell to the country and what will the significance of that be? >> well, obviously, if they have witnesses, if they have docu...

So, i'm not sure the january 6th commission has really got a strong hand. but this is very important, if you digest the mechanics of an investigation like this, liz cheney said they talked to 150 people. you can get a name, you can get a list. i doubt if there's anything in these documents that is going to be the smoking gun, but they have to find a witness, a participant, who will cooperate or some sort of secret taping system, so there's a great deal of work to be done here. >> carl, what do you make of how it's going so far? >> i think that the committee is at a great disadvantage, because ...

Think if you look at the nixon tapes case going back to 1974, the ruling was that a prosecutor can get, in the case of nixon, his tapes, but the senate watergate committee could not. i'm not sure the january 6 commission has really got a strong hand. but this is very important if you digest the mechanics of an investigation like this. liz cheney said if you talk to 150 people, you can get a name, you can get a list. i doubt if there is anything in these documents that is going to be the smoking gun, but they have to find a witness, a participant who will cooperate or some sort of secret taping...