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That instance was fired. but when you have an instance where there were mistakes made, it's a nonpunitive system. the faa does not fire people because they made these mistakes. and the reason for that is because there are so few accidents. when you consider all of the manies that take off and land every single day, there are not that many crashes. so they need all of the information that they can gather and the only way to get that information is through incidents like this. so if there are things that they can correct, they'd remember get it from the people right there in the field without, o...

Situation to be blown out of proportion? my next guest author of "secrets from the tower" bob richards also a former air traffic controller at at chicago's o'hare. thank you for join us. how long were you an air traffic controller? what is the longest amount of hours were you asked to fill? did you ever fall asleep? >> oh boy, okay. first of all, i was at the o'hare for 22 years of the 25 i was an air traffic controller. i spent the other three years outside chicago and one in california. as far as working long hours it varied with the weather conditions. it varied with the staffing. typically...

The show. next time i hope we have longer and i hope that we have more points that we can agree with. >> definitely. attention all taxpayers, you are paying billions to store nuclear waste in nevada. guess what? it's not there and you don't know where it is. >> it's one thing if you're the vice president and fall asleep on the job. it's another thing if you're entirely guiding planes around our nation when you do that. we're going to talk to a former air traffic controller called "secrets from the tower." >> is it dreams from the tower or secrets? >> no, he will tell us what goes on there. >...

Away from flying. the f.a.a. reports the number of errors by air traffic contollers have doubled in the last year. >> clayton: that's shocking. more than 1800 operational failures from september of '09 to september 2010, just two years ago, there were roughly after that. bob richards was an air traffic controller for 25 years and he's the author of the book "secrets from the tower" and joins us this morning from significant. what is going on here? >> well, first of all, it's a few factors that contribute to these. i don't think that in one year, all of a sudden, it's doubled. you've got to kin...