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That, i think, is the only thing that gets republicans to vote to convict the president. other than that, you know, mcconnell's not gonna move. >> all right, guys. we're going to come back to this. jonathan, susan, bazle. you guys are all sticking around. next up, he's a key witness into the democrats investigation in the hold up of security aid to ukraine. what will gordon sondland say when he testifies in the impeachment inquiry? and what if he says nothing at all? i thought i was managing my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. but i realized something was missing... me. the thought of my...

Coordinating an effort among the ukraine team to tell the ukrainian president he wasn't going to get his security aid unless he started investigating the president's political opponents. i think we're going to learn that gordon sondland, as we already know, was pretty regularly talking to the president, and in addition, rudy giuliani and mick mulvaney were talking to the president, and they in turn were telling volker and taylor and others to carry out those orders. >> ukraine's foreign minister told ukrainian news agencies on thursday, quote, ambassador sondland did not tell us, and certainly...

Regularly potentially with the president directly. and if that was the case, then he needs to explain that. ultimately, this is about his legacy. and if it comes out that he misled the committee in his initial testimony or outright lied, there are real consequences for him down the line. >> holmes, david holmes, who testified friday, he said he was a note taker for the meeting that you and senator ron johnson had with ukrainian president zelensky and ukraine. holmes testified that johnson, senator johnson, told zelensky that he was shocked by president trump's negative view of ukraine, that ze...

His testimony to make absolutely clear that, yes, indeed, he did tell the ukrainians that they were not going to get their security aid unless they opened up investigations that the white house was recommending, and we all know that the only two investigations that the president mentioned to president zelensky was the investigation into the bidens and the investigation that would relitigate the 2016 election. now, the ukrainians are always going to try to put a good spin on this. the ukrainians aren't going to come out and accuse the president of extortion. why? because they're presently relia...

Personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, just tweeted this morning. quote, after three witnesses, no evidence has been presented of any offense. the first two permanent diplomats had no direct knowledge, just overhearing things. the third one had no knowledge, not even heresy. this is a trav ate, unquote. what's your response to mr. giuliani? >> well, the crimes and the offenses that have been detailed in this testimony are absolutely damning. it's not absolutely clear what happened. the president was using taxpayer dollars, security aid to ukraine in a white house meeting in order to extort the ukrain...