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Granted it has to be tested against other people's memories of those days, it means the department of justice needs to investigation whether or not the former president, while he was sitting in the office, knew that there was an attempt to use violence to prevent the certification of an election, and said i am going to help advance that violence. i'm going to reduce the security blanket. one of the most damning things is cassy hutchinson testified that mark meadows and pat cipollone, said that president trump agreed to the fact that mike pence should be hanged and they started this so quickly,...

Before this type of behavior from the commander in chief of the united states? >> i think if you accept cassidy hutchinson's testimony, and granted, it has to be tested against other peoples memories of those days, it means the department of justice needs to investigate whether or not the former president, while he was sitting in the office, knew that there was an attempt to use violence to prevent the certification of an election and said, i am going to help advance that violence. i'm going to reduce the security blanket. one of the most damning thing is that cassidy hutchinson testified that...

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Would or could the russians do something before that's formal and would or should other n.a.t.o. members not yet formally finland having joined, defend finland if it were attacked? >> well, they could, but in this instance, neil, what n.a.t.o. has done, they've gone ahead and moved forward guaranteeing a security blanket for both finland and sweden. so, i mean, russia could still invade or attack, but what n.a.t.o. has done here is preempted that and saying, no, they're covered under this preliminary membership blanket, security blanket that we'll guarantee their security. >> so other n.a.t.o....

And when they figure it's in their interests, i think trevor reed's declining health probably had a lot to do with their decision to make the trade. so, it's a good thing that we can still get on with some business apart from the invasion. >> vladimir putin made another veiled nuclear threat today saying, quote, if someone tends to interfere with what's going on inside, they must know that constitutes a strategic threat to russia. they might know that responsed counterstrikes will be lightning faszed. i wonder what your reaction to that is. >> just to pick up on a point that fareed zakaria mad...