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Weapon. >> harris: um-huh. >> in exchange for oil and two nuclear power plants. that didn't happen for reasons, actually, the united states government did not fund the program and at the same time, it's almost certain that north korea was not carrying out its side of the agreement and was continuing to develop a bomb. all of that tells us -- >> harris: do you feel like we get another bite at the apple? i'm hearing you say security. that's one of the things that president trump has promised kim jong un. i'm going to give you the last word. >> certainly it is the security that north korea is sea...

Happen, but the margin of error here is very small. that's because president trump has to find a way to offer just enough to kim jong un that he's willing to consider delahrizing, giving up his security blanket, but he can't give too much that he's going to further cement kim jong un as the world's most reclusive authoritarian dictator. and that's why this discussion and negotiation is so difficult. i'm optimistic that something good will come out of this, but we really don't know because of just how difficult the task is. so let's just hope that enough happens in terms of dialogue that there'...

Of the movies changed. >> dana: with the horrible camerawork. >> greg: i was terrified. i want topond to juan's misguided belief we should be >> juan: i didn't say the same thing. as dana said, the man has nukes now. he didn't have nukes before. >> greg: how did that happen? thing.berly: here is the people get upsthey think rodman is like sideshow. he's obviously not going to have any place in the negotiations. this is going to be president trwith kim jong un. if kim jong un feels more comfortable with his friend for life, dennis rodman there, fine. give him his security blanket. let him have ...

Denuclearization. you give up the weapons, the bombs, the missiles, the rockets, components, fissile material. pete: that is kim jong un's security blanket. without his nukes, without his missiles, he doesn't have a deterrence to the west. is that true and can we get to that complete taking away of nukes? >> yeah. i think we can. and i think that premise is false. and i think that kim is just now starting to realize he has fallen into what i call the nuclear trap. he thought, let me develop some nuclear weapons and some delivery systems. and then can i hold the west hostage. and president trum...

Korea wants to keep negotiations warm if not hot because negotiations provide and already have provided kim with some benefits. he thinks that they will bring economic relief. he thinks they will provide him for reputational boost. if he's viewed as a committed and incredible negotiator on par with world leaders like donald trump, and i also think that for kim negotiations are a security blanket. if we're engaged in negotiations with north korea and if donald trump thinks that they could lead somewhere, we're going to be less likely to engage in a military strike so they are security blankets ...