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With gadhafi, would the west have intervened? maybe, maybe not. there will be some carrots given to north korea in the form of economic assistance or in the form of we in essence have a security guarantee like we did with cuba rg something along those lines. we're not interest in invading north korea. maybe china holds that security blanket. but a long term nonnuclearized north korea is essential. my concern is if this doesn't happen, we are at the churchill kind of moment where we are looking forward and saying do we want a world where anyone can get nukes or do we need to stand strong now? >...

Years and we do nothing in response. >> that's right. >> i think we have to accept that kim jong-un has been quite sophisticated in his approach to all of this. he's given some things but he's largely given things up that don't cost him anything. giving up the three hostages, that's something but they provide him with very little value. it's thrown in his face what he and his regime understand to be his security blanket. starting there for the united states, i think doesn't lead to a very successful outcome any time soon.

Relationship. and i think it must have hit a nerve because while other world leaders were mourning the death of barbara bush, the president was golfing and raging on twitter. in addition to that, apparently this morning, the president is venting about his nominees being held up again. and the wall. the wall seems to be a security blanket, the president goes back to it when he needs something else to rage about. but, again, it certainly -- it certainly points to the fact that this president isn't happy about, you know, maybe some things he shouldn't be focusing on right now. >> mark, to jackie'...

To be any there-there at this point. >> fair enough there. we are cautious. let me ask you about rudy you heard the president say many times we're going to keep up maximum pressure. we're not going to stop that giuliani. he's back -- yeah, you did drop until they denuclearize. the mic. we all live on the point. he said i can walk away from the table, but chuck, more important rudy giuliani, president's reasons why with need a legal team. secretary of state confirmed what's interesting about it is a sooner rather than later. lot of people are bringing back these are important to the the fact ...

I think at the end of the day, no matter what mueller finds, we'll be seeing a report referred to congress and i think trump's final kind of security blanket is that even if the house votes to impeach him, it will be very hard to get 67 votes, 15 or so republicans to remove him and just as you say, at the end of the day, this is going to be a political battle involving the congress and very likely not a legal battle involving the federal courts. >> all right. thank you for taking the time. we preesh it. >> thank you. coming up, strife of the party. house speaker paul ryan issues another blow...