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>> he's the first president in a long time, if ever, ever who does things because he's mad or does things policy-wise despite his own staff or he's in a bad mood and we know from the reporting in the white house, from the post and "the new york times" and from nbc, he does it a lot and losing the emotional support people around him that he's had in the white house who keep him from having these jags. so who knows what's going to happen? >> this is why i start to find this jared kushner and javanka, if you will, they are his security blanket. in the end, they're not going anywhere, but if they ...

The people falling away, keith shilers, bodyguard not there anymore. still getting paid. hope hicks, not there anymore. jared kushner is in a lot of trouble it looks like, et cetera. and the mueller probe and whether the unpredictability ratchets up. >> he's the first president where ever who does things because he's mad or does things policy-wise despite his own staff or he's in a bad mood and we know from the reporting in the white house, from the post and "the new york times" and from nbc, he does it a lot and losing the emotional support people around him that he's had in the white house w...

And "the new york times" and from nbc, he does it a lot and losing the emotional support people around him that he's had in the white house who keep him from having these jags. so who knows what's going to happen? >> this is why i start to find this jared kushner and javanka, if you will, they are his security blanket. in the end, they're not going anywhere, but if they were to leave the white house and no longer has that security blanket and all of this other stuff is happening, then i think we have plenty to worry about. one last thing in bloomberg, trump's swaps beloved burgers for salads a...

These facts would be disturbed by them. we shouldn't be having this conversation and the reason we're having this conversation is that the kushners and the trumps haven't adequately separated their business interests from the conduct of foreign policy of the united states. >> jared kushner included. do you think the president, we were having the discussion earlier about him feeling unglued, that he's seeing this happen to his son-in-law and going oh, my, robert mueller is getting closer? >> he certainly sees that. there's debate about whether kushner and ivanka will stay or go. i think they ar...

But the rate at which high profile staff members are leaving the white house, can the president afford to lose them, or do you think it benefits him if they head back to new york? >> i think you're looking at a few different issues. obviously the departure of hope hicks for donald trump is going to be a huge blow, this is somebody who was one of his longest serving aides and has been described as a security blanket in the west wing, someone he trusts, a surrogate daughter if you will. her departure will obviously be a blow. ivanka and jared, if they were to make an exit as well, you wonder how...