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Basically hooked on energy supplies. and then, at the worst point, it becomes your problem, like it was in 2022 when the taps were being closed and there was a huge challenge for europe. shall we blink and say, "we give up, we don't care about ukraine any more?" or shall we rearrange our energy supplies at a very high cost? so we need to be mindful that not all the countries are like—minded. and unfortunately, we need to arrange our relations so that we take into account the security challenges, because they might be striking us at a very bad moment. as being the smaller country in that with...

Shall we blink and say, "we give up, we don't care about ukraine any more?" or shall we rearrange our energy supplies at a very high cost? so we need to be mindful that not all the countries are like—minded. and unfortunately, we need to arrange our relations so that we take into account the security challenges, because they might be striking us at a very bad moment. as being the smaller country in that with these much bigger powers, how do you navigate that? for us, for democracies, it's important to become resilient. it doesn't mean that we won't trade, it doesn't mean we won't have intera...

Challenge for europe. shall we blink and say we give up and, we don't care about ukraine any more? 0r shall we rearrange our energy supplies at a very high cost? so we need to be mindful that not all the countries are like—minded, and unfortunately we need to arrange our relations so that we take into account the security challenges, because they might be striking us at a very bad moment. and as being sort of the smaller country in that, with these much bigger powers, how do you navigate that? for us, for democracies, it's important to become resilient. it doesn't mean that we will not trade...

You more or less know what to expect from the other, because the other is quite similar to you. take russia's export of gas to european union — it was, i would say, a plan to have the region basically hooked on energy supplies. and then, at the worst point, it becomes your problem, like it was in 2022 when the taps were being closed and there was a huge challenge for europe. shall we blink and say, "we give up, we don't care about ukraine any more?" or shall we rearrange our energy supplies at a very high cost? so we need to be mindful that not all the countries are like—minded. and unfort...

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