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Knew the full extent of these allegations, which are absolutely credible, and if somebody did know the full extent and they didn't report that to the president, then if i'm the president, i want to get rid of them. >> they did know. the fbi called the white house counsel to tell them. >> we don't know the full extent. >> the fbi called the white house -- >> you know, let's -- [ overlapping voices ] >> let's talk to somebody who used to run the cia to learn about the security clearance process. there's much more to discuss including those long delayed white house security clearances. i'll talk ...

If it was, however, an effort to stall and push back and minimize what the fbi was telling the white house, well, that's -- i'm not using the word criminal in the criminal-legal sense, but that's criminal in terms of the type of behavior that would be protected. >> we know from plenty of reporting that's been done that rob porter was relaying his version of events to both chief of staff kelly and white house counsel don mcgahn. first and foremost to white house counsel mcgahn, so i do suspect it was the white house saying go back and press the fbi to ask more questions. i suspect that there is...

Than defend his agency and their security clearance process and come with a timeline of his own. the problem now for the white house is compounded here. because his timeline is different from theirs. he makes it very clear that at least by the fall, at least by the fall that there was knowledge in the white house about this. and i think the question that jeff zeleny raises is the right question, which is, who knew what when? when did don mcgahn know? did don mcgahn go to kelly? did don mcgahn keep this to himself? we need to hear a little bit about what the white house counsel knew because, do...

>> i think this brings the white house to a decision. this either flushes out what they have refused to go into detail on which they've repeatedly said we're not going into details on the investigation, we're not going into the details about the security clearance process, we're not going into details about the timeline. they have a decision to make. either they move off of that, because i think they have to which would be incumbent in the wake of what we saw in the hearing, or they continue down that track, which will create more problems and just throw huge road blocks in front of the admini...

Could be? >> we do share concerns about the confusicius institutes. we have been watching that development for a while. it is one of many tools that they take advantage of. we have seen some decrease recently in their own enthusiasm and commitment to that particular program but it is something that we're watching warily and in certain instances have developed appropriate investigative steps. >> thank you, mr. chairman. vice chairman warner highlighted in his opening statement the importance of an effective security clearance process. so i've got a question for you, director wray. was the fbi a...