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Everybody here at the munich security conference, the largest of the security conferences and probably the most important one held each year is whether president putin will use it as the pretext that the united states has been warning about. the other big debate, though, is if he does decide to go into ukraine, would he go in this region in dispute for eight years now and hope that an incursion that is limited to that area divides the allies, western allies and doesn't trigger those massive sanctions that president biden has been talking about. or does he decide, well, i'm going to pay the sam...

Control. what does that tell you? that there is very little chance or possibility of zelensky talking to the rebel leaders. that tells you, i think, how dire the situation is. putin's not going to meet with zelensky. zelensky will not meet with the rebel leaders. that's the picture we're at at the moment. >> arlette, vice president kamala harris was at that security conferences in munich, the same security conference where president zelensky was. what was the role she was playing? >> reporter: well, fred, vice president kamala harris' goal during this weekend trip is to really rally allies to ...

Were. we're learning that president zelenskyy has told you and your colleagues if you had started sanctions months ago, there would not have been war. now, it's very easy to play monday morning quarterback here, but do you think yourself, senator, that had sanctions, much more forceful ones, been in place much earlier, none of this would be happening? >> well, it is a good question, neil. and i know it's -- these sanctions really work when they work in tandem. if it's just the u.s., they weren't so strong. but here was something that i noticed going back into early november if when i was meeti...

He has a new book out and it's really a true reflection of kerry. the book is awful and it's made from one period fairly well the trump administration was busy with their own foreign policy, kerry was busy with his own. >> there are people in the intelligence committee jose you've been telling the iranians to wait out president trump and the administration and to wait until there's a democratic president in 2021. is that accurate? >> i think everybody in the world is sitting around talking about waiting out president trump. every secretary of state, former secretary of state, continues to meet...

I'm robert gray, now back to "watters' world". predict anotht and a half over the weekend. jesse: former secretary of state john kerry accused of undermining the trump administration after admitting he met with iranian officials reportedly trying to save the nuke deal and telling the iranians to wait out the presidency until a democrat is in office. >> when i met with the iranians, the policy of the united states was still to be in the iran deal because the president had not pulled out. secondly, every former secretary of state continues to meet with foreign leaders and goes to security confer...