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Before. we had charlene lamp testify that benghazi the security decisions had nothing to do with funding. funding did not block the push for more security in benghazi. and then we heard from the chief financial officer of the state department who has also said in an email that security decisions were not impeded by some financial situation. and, the troops, or the people that they wanted for these sst teams to be on the ground and protect those people in libya, that came out of pentagon budget. it didn't come out of the state department budget. and so, that's just -- it's just fiction that the...

The cia presence in benghazi imposed itself on the security decisions that chris stevens was in charge of. look, there were seven american diplomats in benghazi including the ambassador, 30 cia officers and contractors. the fact there was this major cia presence, would have impinged on, i believe, the ability of the ambassador to call his own security decisions. >> sure. why did he want to put a flag up over the cia operation? thank you, michael crowley. thank you, great reporting, jonathan. we're going to be right back after this. to treat my low testosterone, i did my research. my doctor and...

Dangerous situation. i've heard other diplomats they find it puzzling he took that risk. >> maybe he's a courageous guy. >> there's another big mystery here. and that is the degree to which the cia presence in benghazi imposed itself on the security decisions that chris stevens was in charge of. look, there were seven american diplomats in benghazi including the ambassador, 30 cia officers and contractors. the fact there was this major cia presence, would have impinged on, i believe, the ability of the ambassador to call his own security decisions. >> sure. why did he want to put a flag up ove...

Talk about because they know they screwed up. their us a territory measures may have endangered ambassador chris stevens' life and they don't want to talk about that. actually it was the obama administration that reduced the security to the consul at and james rosen supported that charlene lamb testified on capitol hill that funding levels had nothing to do with her security decisions in benghazi. finally, there have been many claims from the left about the benefits of obamacare but here is a new one. california congresswoman says the president's healthcare law will overall quality of major....

Decisions were made. and she did not make the security decisions that we felt -- >> was that a problem, do you think? >> no, not at all. i think it was behind the legislation. we looked in to what the congress was saying at the time it passed the legislation to set up the process. and they said it is traditional for heads of agencies to take responsibility then nobody goes down and finds where the decisions were made. and that's what we'd like to see. and we would like to have people held responsible for those performance in those decisions. >> what do you make of the back and forth on the tal...