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And they are continuing to support the ukrainian citizens who are coming as refugees in romania. there is no question about that. let's talk about the security situation as well, cos, again, it's a challenge. you have the black sea security situation. you also have your airspace to defend. you are, as you said, the country with the longest border with ukraine. you also clearly have a major interest in moldova, where, again, we have seen russian interference. to what extent do you fear that, in security terms, romania could get dragged into conflict? romania is a nato ally, as you very well kno...

West but also for rebuilding ukraine, this actually in some ways is the most relevant international associate ukraine could have. there's a security dimension, but even more there's a political and economic dimension. >> certainly, and finland and sweden applying for membership, and the victim of cyberattacks on friday, russia the suspect there. these members go into kyiv, i would expect another delegation to go in there. to richard's point, it will be different in donbas. it will be a larger set piece, tanks needed, anti-aircraft weaponry needed because the russians have a better chance of ma...

The only issue is when it becomes operational. ukraine is being bypassed. that is the strategic reality. but... ..ourjob is to make that russia cannot bypass ukraine, and although this pipeline, nord stream 2, is finished, in terms of construction, it's not operating. and, again, we're successfully fighting against the certification of this pipeline because it's not compliant with european rules. but here, the security dimension is more important than the economic dimension, here in this particular question, because it's ourfirm belief, based on our experience, that the reason, first and forem...

Because that pipeline under the baltic sea has been built. the only issue is when it becomes operational. ukraine is being bypassed. that is the strategic reality. but... ..ourjob is to make that russia cannot bypass ukraine, and although this pipeline, nord stream 2, is finished, in terms of construction, it's not operating. and, again, we're successfully fighting against the certification of this pipeline because it's not compliant with european rules. but here, the security dimension is more important than the economic dimension, here in this particular question, because it's ourfirm belief...

But... ..ourjob is to make that russia cannot bypass ukraine, and although this pipeline, nord stream 2, is finished, in terms of construction, it's not operating. and, again, we're successfully fighting against the certification of this pipeline because it's not compliant with european rules. but here, the security dimension is more important than the economic dimension, here in this particular question, because it's ourfirm belief, based on our experience, that the reason, first and foremost, putin wants to build nord stream 2 is to be able to divert transit from ukraine to nord stream 2 to,...