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Trouble you? >> not at all. to be honest with you. >> it doesn't trouble you. >> no. jared kushner was involved in the campaign on policy. involved afterwards in the transition. to me, it's not inappropriate at all for him to be talking to people about, at least the substance what i heard about, we don't know this to be true, was, hey, will the russians back away from iran? that's a good thing to be talking to russia. >> with a back channel, to ask if he can have a communications channel directly to moscow as a member of the -- >> transition team. to me, look, there are all sorts of back chann...

Capacities and he's clearly a very close confidant of the president and it doesn't bother me in the least. doesn't. >> it's in a context, rick, he fails to disclose meetings with the russians on his security forms. there are p in the team, 18 failures to disclose contacts with russia. jim comey is fired for investigating russia. mike pence is lied to about russian contacts, so the question really is why all of this secrecy? what is going on underneath? >> it's classic conflation. >> this is a common sense question. is it about the fact that donald trump has got financial interests that benefit...

Core. jared kushner shouldn't have been in any of these meetings in the first place, he is an unqualified real estate developer, everyone knows he wouldn't be in those meetings if he wasn't married to trump's daughter. once he did the meetings, tried to establish a secret back channel to russia and lied about it, trump fired the fbi director who is investigating his son-in-law. this is beyond partisan debates. people that are defending as normal behavior are deluding themselves, this is not normal behavior for a president to do. if you want to discuss syria with another foreign power, you can ...

He failed to disclose that from security clearance form. that's a violation of the law. he now fails to disclose these reuter contacts that the roeutes talked about. why we are calling russian ambassadors. why is the administration doing that, if you were to do that, jared kushner would have remembered those. >> michael hayden suggested that the reasons behind some of these, could it be that? do you agree? >> suggesting a back channel communication with russians who are not our allies maybe because jared kushner is naive but to do it to say that we need to use russian equipment at the russian ...

Tower in new york michael flynn who would eventually become the president's national security advisor was in that meeting as well does that make any difference to you? >> absolutely because michael flynn is tied into these meetings undisclosed contacts that are not notified in the security forms. this story today is big. but it's big because of all the other store jis. other stories. in the last 24 hours nbc news and cnn had stories focused on jared kushner related to his data mining capacity and data mining program during the campaign. now you have those stories. you have nthen during the tra...