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To go in, beat up the bad guys, but we don't have to be in there providing order and such. what do you think of that argument? >> well, i think among the many lessons that we've learned in the era of the post-9/11, you can't fight them just with special operations. you do need to do delta raids especially against high-value targets, but that's not enough. that can achieve a security improvement, but what solidifies that security foundation is all the other activities that are necessary, the restoration of basic services, the reestablishment of grievance mechanisms, markets, schools, health cli...

Says we can use special forces to go in, beat up the bad guys, but we don't have to be in there providing order and such. what do you think of that argument? >> well, i think among the many lessons that we've learned in the era of the post-9/11, you can't fight them just with special operations. you do need to do delta raids and so forth and to support partners on the ground, but that's not enough. that can achieve a security improvement, but what solidifies that security foundation is all the other activities that are necessary, the restoration of basic services, the reestablishment of grieva...

Again? i remember being in bulgaria in late 1997 as the nato commander and the foreign minister telling me right now, she said, russia is weak but some day russia will be strong again. they'll be back here and trying to take us over and before then bulgaria must be in nato. and so, the united states heeded the concerns of our friends in europe who are trying to build viable democracies and we provided them the security umbrella or the security foundation through their membership in nato to do this. they need it more than ever because russia is coming back. putin wants the countries back, bulga...

Joe is a veteran of the house armed services staff is with the security foundation and teaches at georgetown as well. with him here tonight, our chief foreign affairs correspondent. from a newsstand point we will begin with you to tell us how much of a big deal was this today? >> it's hard to say. we never before have experienced anything like seeing nuclear policy made on twitter. i know kellyanne conway said that's not what was being done. when you look at the words, words have meaning. to see these words expanding our nuclear arsenal doesn't make sense. there is no other way to read it. whe...

It's the gold standard for identity theft. >> so how much of this stuff do you think has been corrupted already? >> you know, we don't know what we don't know at this point. unless you have a lot of good transparency and disclosure and unless you audit it, someone has to audit data and audit the systems and look at records and compare those against known records to say is there any differences or any damage? you get to a point to where there is so much data out there, you don't know where to start. it's a daunting task but that's why you have to lay the proper security foundation from the minu...